New York: A Major Barbecue City…Really!
It was the kind of dinner, thirty-plus years later, I still remember. the writer, Susan Edmiston, and her husband, Peter Edmiston, a music business guy, were entertaining about eighteen people in their apartment. Right off the plane from Kansas City, Peter would be arriving with food from Arthur Bryant's famous barbecue place. we were waiting like little birds with our beaks open, getting reports, he's landed, he's on his way, then Peter arrived lugging a considerable amount of food. the barbecue was reheated and we ate and I thought it was outstanding, which I mentioned to Calvin Trillin, one of the guests, who had famously championed Arthur Bryant's. Trillin, never known not to be droll, said-- and take into account the shlepping Edmiston just went through-- "It's good, but you have to actually be there to get the full taste. This is, basically, a take-out order."
I've got a feeling it's not just Kansas City anymore when it comes to barbecue for New Yorkers. In a tectonic food shift, New York has become a major barbecue city with more barbecue places than Jewish delis. you can sample the various types of regional American barbecue right here and we're not even considering Asian influences, also proliferating. try this for a list, not anywhere near complete, Blue Smoke, Brother Jimmy, Daisy May's BBQ USA, Dallas BBQ, Dinosaur Bar-B-Que, Fette Sau, Hill Country, Johnny Utah, Lookout Hill, Max's Memphis Barbecue, Rack & Soul, RUB BBQ, Smoke Joint, Spanky's BBQ, Virgil's Real BBQ, Wildwood Barbeque, and a guy who had been selling barbecue out of a truck in Bedford-Stuyvesant, Kings County BBQ, who now caters.
Obviously, people who come to New York from other regions of the country that featured specific barbecue styles are going to bring their preferences with them, but native New Yorkers are also becoming foodies on barbecue. my own credentials are extremely dubious, growing up as I did in the Bronx of the 1940s and 1950s where the closest we came to barbecue were the dry, overcooked spareribs from the Oh, Joy Chinese Restaurant. But you know how it goes, you eventually get older, you own a grill, you make spareribs, you think you know something about it. So I think I know something about it. it may not be your something. There's so much good barbecue in New York, but I offer a few thoughts.
For this discussion, let's just stick to basic pork spareribs, and if you know what I'm about to say, apologies, someone else might not know. Baby back ribs are not from baby pigs or piglets, they are taken from the top of the hog's rib cage and are smaller in size with less fat, and therefore, some say, less fun to eat than spare ribs which are taken from the belly side. you see various places around the city featuring "St. Louis-style ribs." But St. Louis is not known for ribs. "St. Louis-style ribs" merely refers to the way the ribs are trimmed before cooking. if you type "trimming St. Louis style ribs" in the YouTube search box, you'll find a video of a guy doing the trimming. Trimming, that's it, that's the whole deal about St. Louis ribs. I did get to St. Louis some years ago before I knew this, asked my host to take me to the best ribs place in town, and the ribs were mediocre, the kind of ribs you might get if they were the nightly special at a diner off the Long Island Expressway.
So where to go for ribs in New York? I'm almost tempted to say anywhere. Right now we've got a better level of ribs going than we do, say, pastrami. And people can get overly fussy about where they eat their ribs and why-- wet or dry rubs, how smoky they like them. I say, just go. Have fun.
I am going to pick one favorite place uptown and one favorite place downtown and you can work your way through the city to your own favorites. what follows is like saying, "If you want to go to a baseball game, go to Yankee Stadium," but I really like Dinosaur Bar-B-Que. It's working too hard with its faux roadhouse decor, but it's reached the point where it has become genuine faux. the ribs are great, smoky, juicy, and at really fair prices. you can get at least three ribs and a couple of sides for $9.95 if you want to eat that light. A more conventional serving is $15.95.
Downtown, and this is surprising, for ribs I would go to the Knickerbocker Bar & Grill. It's a very attractive old-fashioned New York saloon, and classy, Hirschfeld theater prints on the walls, small combo jazz on weekend nights. It's a place you could go if not everybody in your party wants to eat ribs, and so it occupies a category all to itself, the best restaurant in the city that serves great ribs but isn't a barbecue place. It's also known among steak-eaters for its T-bone, but you might expect that from a serious neighborhood restaurant. Why such outstanding ribs? an interesting provenance. New York foodies know about the very highly rated restaurant, the Grocery in Brooklyn, created by Charles Kiely and Sharon Pachter. some years ago, Kiely was the chef at the Knickerbocker, the ribs are his recipe, his legacy. Marinated for a couple of days with the rub he devised, cooked on the same grill as those excellent steaks, they're fall-off-the bone delicious. $21.50, enough for two to share.
Uptown, Dinosaur Bar-B-Que. Downtown, the Knickerbocker Bar & Grill. Two completely different dining venues, both terrific spareribs.
Incidentally, I once made it to Arthur Bryant's in Kansas City. the place was packed before a Royals game, you lined up to get to the counter, the food was being whirled about confusingly, the line hustled along by the countermen, step up, step up, keep moving, what do you want, and I from New York was the rube, and intimidated. I ordered my ribs and ate them quickly by myself. Truth be told, I enjoyed it more as take-out at the Edmistons.
Dinosaur Bar-B-Que. 646 West 131st Street at 12th Avenue, 212-694-1777. Knickerbocker Bar & Grill. 33 University Place at 9th Street. 212-228-8490.
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This is a topic close to my heart! I highly higly recommend Calvin Trillin. I bought his books from the 1970s in thrift stores, but I believe his newest book reading a yen is still in print. Hilarious, humorous, absolutely obsessed about food but not technical so its entirely readable. Another fun read is Ruth Reichl's (ex NYtimes food critic, now head of Gourmet) memoir, garlic and sapphires for an Alias-like take on restaurant reviews where she dresses up to dupe the restaurants.
Yea so my stomach doesn't like the barbecue place
I haven't been to the new barbecue place, but I did give New Apple another try today for lunch. They were pretty good … I love the honey chicken (still). Went with two friends: one keeps going back again and again; the other had no complaints. I very much appreciated that I could eat without freezing to death – the temperature was very comfortable!
Yeah, I've noticed that. I was thinking about on Paul Huff close to the little shops down the hill from the barbecue place.
With All Disrespect:
rel=”nofollow” Those Frito pies are great. They have some at the barbecue place at the Dallas airport.
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Charlie Rose with Alexander Rower, Marla Prather & Roger Sherman; Calvin Trillin (June 10, 1998): First, Alexan…
ANother business dinner in a barbecue place in Manaus – Toro Loco.Very good place to visit.
Is the barbecue place that Sunny takes Bob to on #thebiggestloser the same one that Gretchen takes the girls to on #rhooc #realhousewives?
I don’t care where I sit as long as I get fed. -Calvin Trillin #TeamFollowBack
Charlie Rose with Richard Serra; George Packer, Calvin Trillin, Nora Ephron & Reverend Calvin Butts; David Frien…
I'm remembering that someone at one point said he was reoccurring next season, to which I'm still holding hope. I'm missing him already.I have a question on costumes, but I figure that will take another bribe. (If Centerville jams don't work, I do know of the best barbecue place in Texas if you're ever in the Houston area).]]>
Travels with Alice –
New barbecue place, Mack’s, opens in Rockwall gas station –
At this barbecue place, letting these dry-rub wings and ice tea occupy my stomach. Then gonna go home and, I don’t know, do my Sunday coke. –
“Alice, Off the Page” by Calvin Trillin in the New Yorker. It's a beautiful article, and I think of this passage from time to time.]]>
I never did very well in math – I could never seem to persuade the teacher that I hadn’t meant my answers literally. Calvin Trillin #quote
Next time you go to a barbecue place, order for the women by saying "ribs, for her pleasure." I guarantee you won’t get laid that night.
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About Alice (Hardcover): In Calvin Trillin’s antic tales of family life, she was portrayed as the wife who had “…
pornalizing ?!?!
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I guess if you huff enough paint thinner, anything seems clever.
Gevalt.
“Terminal scorn” is like “bitter.” Hey, the targets of that “terminal scorn” have earned it about a hundred times over. Just think of it as the gift that keeps on giving, all you poetical wannabees.
I'm pretty sure that Calvin Trillin's job is safe for the nonce. Not that I'm a fan or anything…]]>